But Wait, There’s More
August 11th, 2008 by Sonja

I wrote the other day that if Jesus walked the earth today, I don’t think He’d vote.  When I did that, I forgot something very important.  It’s the unwritten code of Christians.  Peggy, my cHesed sister, reminded me of it in the comments.  It’s this:  when we say we think that Jesus would do this or that, by implication we often mean that other Christians ought to do this or that.   Most often that’s true.  Jesus is our model and we, who are serious disciples of Jesus, want to do what Jesus would do.  However, I don’t believe it’s true when it comes to voting and I’ll explain why.

So, first of all, I’m standing by my assertion that IF Jesus were here today (instead of 2000 years ago) he probably wouldn’t vote.  There are a number of reasons for this, and if you’re interested you can read that earlier post.  But primarily I believe that Jesus put relationships first.  If he were to pick a candidate, vote for a candidate then it would be all over.  For ever and a day, people would use that information as a weapon.  It would be power used for the wrong purposes.

Here’s the thing, though, Jesus lived and walked the earth during an entirely different age.  He lived during a theocratic empire.  So the option to vote was not available.  I’m doing what we in the LightHouse fondly refer to as MSU.  That is, Making Stuff Up.  Yes, I’m doing so with a lot of fairly decent assumptions (or so I like to think).  But it’s still, in the end, Made Up.   A Fairy Tale of the first order.  We have to look at what Jesus did do.  He didn’t vote, but he didn’t have the opportunity.

Here’s what He did do.  He turned His back on using power.  He rejected power in favor of transformational relationships.  Here’s what I’d like to suggest.  There is a way to be a disciple of Jesus and an active responsible  member of our representative government.  That is to stop.  Stop being manipulative. Stop striving to be correct.  Stop accruing power.  Be humble.  Vote your own conscience and allow others to vote theirs.  I remember when I was a child it was considered impolite to discuss whom and what you were voting for.  I recently discovered to my great surprise that my grandparents were staunch Republicans and were convinced that the election of FDR would lead to the downfall of the United States in 1940.  I never knew who they voted for, but what they stood for was another thing entirely.

Critique the system, the candidates, the platforms … but your vote is your own.  And perhaps your choice should be a private matter.  Here’s a great example of that from fellow Scriber Charles Lehardy:

I like Barack Obama. He is bright, refreshingly articulate, a moral and genuine Christian man with a sincere desire to bring change to America. As a conservative Democrat, I disagree with Obama’s vision for American on a number of points, but find I agree with him on a great deal. I don’t know yet who I’ll vote for and I won’t be using this space to lobby for my favorite candidate.

Weighing pros and cons, articulating what is important to ourselves, etc. is one thing, manipulating that and declaring it to be “the will of God, ordained by Scripture,” is another thing entirely.  It smacks of subordinating Love and transformational relationship to power.  This creates not the Kingdom of God, but a fiefdom of men.  More laws will not create a more moral populace, neither will more money.

So yes, we should vote, and we should (as much as is possible) vote our consciences.  Will we find candidates who represent our values?  It’s not likely that a politician will do that 100% especially on narrowly defined issues, however, chasing power and wealth, using them to further our own ends will not bring about Kingdom ends no matter how much we’d like to think it will. Even God knew that transforming hearts takes more than Law, it takes Love.


17 Responses  
  • Keith Brenton writes:
    August 11th, 20086:05 pmat

    But wait, there’s more!

    Now, how much would you pray?

  • Sonja writes:
    August 11th, 20087:04 pmat

    Hi Keith and welcome! I must admit though, I’m a little confused by your comment. Can you give me (and anyone else who may be reading) some context?

    I’ll confess to praying quite frequently for our current leaders and for those to come and over who I should vote for. But I’m wondering what your comment might be in reference to … if you’re referring to just one of those or all three, or even more. Thanks …

  • Brother Maynard writes:
    August 11th, 20088:57 pmat

    I don’t think Jesus would be an American citizen… so whether he would vote or not, he couldn’t vote in your presidential election. Hypothetical enough? ;^)

  • Sonja writes:
    August 11th, 20089:05 pmat

    @Bro M – phhhbt – LOL! Whether or not He was an American; maybe He’d be Canadian or even Israeli … I still say He Wouldn’t vote whether or not He Could. 😉

  • kievasfargo writes:
    August 11th, 20089:56 pmat

    Jesus probably would be considered an alien in any country :)

  • Ken Berggren writes:
    August 11th, 200810:52 pmat

    I’m really having trouble following you here, Sonja. You talk as if our votes are public. We have SECRET ballots. No one need know your vote unless you tell them. It has always been a private thing. Then you say, “Vote your own conscience and allow others to vote theirs.” Where are you living? Do you have a gun to your head when you enter the voting booth? Much of this seems so silly to me.

    And I would point out that history may prove your grandparents were right. If congress has to print money (monetize) to cover the debt caused by entitlements like Social Security, historians may, in fact, see FDR as when the downfall began.

    It might help you to consider that we Christians live in two Kingdoms. We hold dual citizenship. Of course, the Kingdom of Heaven takes precedence but we should not ignore our privileges and responsibilities in that other kingdom.

  • Peggy writes:
    August 12th, 20081:14 amat

    Sonja,

    Well…I’m a bit with Ken here. And, Bro. M., we can hypothetically say “if Jesus was here and American” ;^)!

    If he was willing to pay the temple tax in Jerusalem, I think he would be equally willing to do his civic duty and vote — but he definitely would keep his vote private. “No comment” would be his response to the exit poll….

    And I have a feeling he would frequently vote for the underdogs more than the big dogs. 😉

  • Sonja writes:
    August 12th, 20087:29 amat

    @Ken … I wonder if you’ve ever spent time in the evangelical subculture (as it were)? That’s where I’ve spent the whole of my Christian life. And in this “parallel universe” it’s assumed that one is Republican/conservative. I have had people say to my face these actual words, “Jesus was a Republican/conservative.” and “You can’t be saved and be a Democrat/liberal.” and “Democrats/liberals are in league with Satan.” So on one hand you’re correct, our votes are secret, etc. However, on the other hand, in order to support anything other than staunch conservatism, my experience has been that one must lead a double life in the Western church. That makes it very difficult lead a life of integrity and wholeness to say the least.

    @Kievas – very nice! 😉

    @Peggy – I like “no comment” and that’s really the heart of what I’m trying to get at here so that folks will stop trying to manipulate each other into supporting this or that cause based on the superior Christ-likeness of it.

  • Patrick writes:
    August 12th, 20088:07 amat

    “I wonder if you’ve ever spent time in the evangelical subculture…”

    As a sidenote, it’s funny for me because I grew up in the Evangelical subculture so I know what you’re saying. But, while I increasingly became distant from that culture, I never really was politically too different. My politics have certainly stretched wider over the years, but I’m still on the conservative side of things.

    Which makes it funny to be part of the emerging/missional movement, where the political pressure is just the opposite, but very much the same in terms of tone. I honestly have wondered about expressing my political thoughts because I felt I was already having enough trouble finding connection.

    Add to this the fact I’m a Windows user… and I’m an outcast among the outcasts. :-)

    Which is one reason I so appreciate these posts, what you’re saying in you’re comment to Peggy here is exactly what I’m feeling.

  • Sonja writes:
    August 12th, 20088:18 amat

    @Patrick – that’s exactly why I have not put anything related to politics (candidates or parties) in my sidebar. I have tried to keep my leanings and proclivities out of the discussion (sometimes I’ve been less successful with that than others). But I always want people to feel comfortable expressing an opposing point of view … provided they are gracious and kind about it, as you always, always are!

    Now, about that Windows machine. We’ll just continue to look on in pity 😛

  • Peggy writes:
    August 12th, 200812:23 pmat

    Patrick,

    You can hang with me, bro … all PC/Windows here. 8) That is, until Robert gets Linux and Open Office one of these days….

    And I also feel a bit out of the “emerging” “missional” orbit by not being necessarily the “right” shade of “green” for many of my cyberpals! I am just grateful that some of them know the difference between what is essential and what is opinion … which is also what I think Sonja is getting at here.

  • Sonja writes:
    August 12th, 200812:38 pmat

    Windows? et tu Peggy? 😉 … k … I really am joking in the computer department. I absolutely do not care what computer a person has. It matters little to me. My bff has an antique Windows machine and I use that when I’m at her house. It’s a machine and people get/use what they’re comfortable with. I’m also a huge tease … so please know that anything I say about Mac v. PC is with my tongue firmly in my cheek.

    I hear you on the “green” … psst … I do not have a compost bin, I use my air conditioning AND I occasionally drink bottled water (hush, LightMom 😉 ).

    And, yes, Peggy … that is exactly what I’m getting at. I don’t want the pendulum to swing so far in the other direction that we instigate a reverse legalism as it were. Does that make sense?

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  • Ken Berggren writes:
    August 12th, 20085:27 pmat

    Evangelical subculture is where I live and move and have my being :) But it is much more diverse than your experience.

    There is much that attracts me to the emerging church (I prefer “emerging” since “emergent” seems to imply that they have ARRIVED) but the slice that Patrick alludes to gives me pause.

    Here is what I don’t follow. You say you want people to “stop trying to manipulate each other into supporting this or that cause based on the superior Christ-likeness of it.” Would you still have a problem if we changed the word from “manipulate” to “persuade”? Again, the problem is not in the goal but more in how the goal is acheived. Persuading people to the Christlikeness of a cause is exactly what the Church must be about. If that deteriorates into manipulation, it is very unfortunate.

    I think the reason it deteriorates into manipulation is because most people have not really thought through their positions sufficiently to be persuasive. So, they just say “IT’S WRONG” instead of, “Here is why it is wrong and what we should do about it.”

    When I was a boy we still had so called “blue laws” about stores being open on Sundays. Maybe you think it was silly, but you know what, there are good reasons (even secular, social reasons) for having them. I don’t think anyone really tried to articulate those reasons. All they could say is “The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy.'” That wasn’t good enough. So, we lost them. Now, it is very hard to find a time we as people can gather together as a whole and celebrate life and community and family, let alone worship God. Someone is always missing because they have to work. And they have to work because we have to keep things going 24/7 in order to make more profit. The “bottom line” is our God. So, families suffer, civic groups suffer, and individuals suffer, too.

    You might say we have holidays (Holy Days) but we are quickly losing them. I used to work for a soft drink distributor when the largest grocery chain in our area decided to open on Thanksgiving until noon. So, if they were open, we had to work. I couldn’t believe the crowds. I wanted to yell, “GO HOME. DON’T YOU REALIZE YOU ARE KILLING THANKSGIVING!” I didn’t but they were and we are.

    Anyway, we continue to suffer because people cannot articulate why their position is Christlike.

  • Sonja writes:
    August 12th, 20089:14 pmat

    Hi Ken … I do see your point … “Persuading people to the Christlikeness of a cause is exactly what the Church must be about. If that deteriorates into manipulation, it is very unfortunate.” I’m not certain that the blue laws are the best example of that (and having grown up in a state that observed them until I was nearly an adult I do remember them), but I will agree with you that we lose something as a culture not having a shared day of rest. We are somehow poorer for all of that increased efficiency and work time.

    Manipulation is exactly what I’ve experienced, rather than persuasion and allowing people the freedom to make up their own minds without fear of rejection, taunting, or ridicule for choosing something different after study and prayer on the issue.

  • Ken Berggren writes:
    August 13th, 20087:47 amat

    Sonja, the problem you describe with the Evangelical Subculture is not limited to that subculture. Really, it is just human (sinful) nature. Hence, Patrick’s comment that the Emerging Movement tends to do the same thing from the other side. If you will forgive my pointing this out, I came to this site because of a post you made which insinuated that anyone who supports President Bush MUST lack critical thinking skills. Was that persuasion or manipulation?

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